The ‘Virtual’ Grand National

Virtual tips at the ready…

We get some UK ‘racing’ action on Saturday in the form of the Virtual Grand National!  If you’ve any thoughts, or dead cert tips, fire away! ahem. 

Were this the actual Grand National/line up I suspect my three pokes against the field may have been Definitly Red / Kimberlite Candy / Potters Corner , while hoping that Tiger could make history. Maybe next year. I may throw some change at those three for fun, knowing all bookmaker profits will be going to charity. 

Where were your pins landing on this year’s race? 

Josh 

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  1. Kimberlite Candy my main one 16/1 – on any analysis this one has to be placed at least, was staying on in the Becher and Warwick form has been well backed up. Also backing Definitly Red 14/1, who I would love to see win the real thing, but hope will be placed in this. Bit of fun for charity, has to be done.

  2. With all profits from betting on the virtual grand national going to NHS charities it’s a good excuse to have a flutter.
    I wouldn’t put anyone off Tiger Roll and Any Second Now, Kimberlite Candy, Walk In The Mill and Definitly Red would all have good chances but my 2 against the field are:
    Magic Of Light 18-1 , 4lb better off with Tiger Roll for 2.75 length defeat last year and could very well reverse the placings.
    Anibale Fly 20-1, much better treated by the handicapper this time and has finished 5th and 4th in last 2 runnings looks a good ew chance at the weights..
    £5 ew on both.

    1. forgot to say that if by some chance i do make a profit i am going to split it and give to my local hospice and Macmillan as in these extraordinary times they are also carrying on with the amazing work they do.

  3. It will depend on whether the algorithm they are using works as it would do for horse racing, in that it takes in to account a number of factors, including form, ground, course and distance form etc etc. Or, it was based on the ‘wheel of fortune’ type algorithm, where you get a certain amount of chances based upon how your chance is rated and so the better chance you have the more chances you get. So if the second type of algorithm was in place Tiger Roll might get 50 marbles in a pot out of a total of 250 and Definitly Red get 12 and an outsider get 2 etc etc.

    I did hear Simon Clare say on Talksport say that they were using the ‘marbles’ anology type algorithm for the virtual race. So if they do, luck of the draw. Anyone can theoretically win but Tiger Roll would obviously have the best chance but not so much with just one spin of the wheel.

    If they used the first algorithmic process surely Tiger Roll would be an each way bet to nothing. I also think that Magic Of Light and Bristol De Mai would show up a lot at better prices. It would also eliminate the outsiders even with a significant number of simulations.

    I believe that punters are limited to £10 each way per bookmaker.

    All you now need to do is get your pin out, sharpen it, close your eyes and go!

    Good luck Martin

  4. Fun/cheap cash Poker Tournament for those interested (£5.5 buy in) – hosted by a racing colleague I know well, Josh Allen, who is part of ‘Bet Chat’ now , (used to be agora/betting rant etc , anyway, he can be trusted…)

    Josh Allen/Bet Chat

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    4. On the software home screen click ‘More’ in the bottom right hand corner.
    5. Click ‘Home Games’ and then click ‘Join a Poker Club’.
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    7. Club ID: 3340941
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    9. Once I’ve accepted you as a member, click on our club (ID above) and click ‘Open Club Lobby’…

    10. Click Schedule, then click on the tournament shown (3rd April)

    11. Click ‘Play Now’ (top right)…

    12. At this stage you’ll need to deposit £5.50 into your account (if you don’t have money in there already) to enter the tournament. This money goes out as prize money to the winner, so don’t worry, it’s not a random fee. Once the money is in your Poker Stars account you can join the competition, which will start at 7pm tonight.

    Josh

    1. I finished second in the poker tourney and won the princely sum of £28. I have donated it to The Royal College of Nursing fund that provides grants for training.

      I lost to a ace high flush with a king high flush! Randomness at its most nasty!

  5. From the other thread…..From an initial look at the last 3 running and assuming they don’t change the algorithm, seems like 4m form and LTO win in important….which gets me to Potters Corner each way. And have also played each way on Magic of Light based on previous 4mile form and a win in LTO Chase.

  6. My top four but not necessarily in this order
    Tiger Roll
    Kimberlite Candy
    Walk in the Mill
    Definitly Red

  7. With all proceeds going to NHS and 5th of the odds, I can see tiger roll finishing 6th.
    I’m going with an outsider Kildisart.
    My simple theory is. the bigger the price, the less they pay out and the more to the NHS.

  8. Betway virtually pathetic…. I just tried to put £10ew on kimberlite candy with betway and got restricted to 52p !!!!

  9. I am backing the two ante post bets I had so going along with Potters Corner who has good form in “Nationals” and Jett ridden by Waley-Cohen who has an excellent record around Aintree. I would hope one of the strands in the algorithm should be jockeyship. Best of luck to everyone, keep safe and stay indoors.

  10. My 5 selections as there are 5 places today. Not in any order.

    Magic of Light
    Walk in the Mill
    Kimberlite Candy
    Tiger Roll
    Ballyoptic

    Mike

  11. if quite a bit has gone into a computer to spit out a winner for this race then iv got it down to Tiger roll, Magic of light, kimberlite Candy or Burrows edge winning the race. Can’t see how any others who ran in last years race or even the National before can get in front of last years top 2 with those 2 fairly clear
    KC and Burrows edge are the 2 poss improvers, would’nt back Burrows edge wud side with KC with him going round Aintree before and doing very well.
    Would back Potters Corner ew with finishing strong over near 3M7 in Welsh National and the 2nd there hacking up that last Midlands Nat race
    Then bigger price would maybe throw a couple at Pleasant Company, 12 now but has ran very well here before
    I decided to have a go at this as if it was the real thing last night/this morning, enjoyed it anyways
    But if it’s balls out of a hat then who knows eh

  12. Thanks to all who mentioned Potters Corner and Walk in the Mill due to divine osmosis I picked up on them and backed them. Thanks all, keep well 🙂

    1. Well done MC .. nice change of codes for you there then …. your like a winner magnet ! 🙂
      Now time is back on my side ( evey cloud ) i can now report i have completed one complete year of month by month systems on the AW on my beloved HRB Systems (all over 40% strike rate ……just how you like it 🙂 ) Can’t wait to avail myself to you soon ;)( just another 3 to go ! 🙂 ) ….. as soon as this pesky germo-loid fing goes away .

      GB……… isolating in his element 🙂

  13. Yes well done Potters Corner backers. I could get into this virtual racing haha. (joke). That was good fun. First time I’ve watched a virtual nat… Impressive graphics etc. Good to see a ‘logical’ horse take it in Potters, still unexposed at marathons and they’ve sorted his jumping seemingly. Stamina wasn’t going to be a problem, Welsh Nat form working out with Truckers Lodge etc. Not that the virtual race deserved too much over thinking but good fun. If he stays sound and Nat was on soft side next year you’d think Potters would go well in main race, if taking to fences.

  14. Roll on the next virtual national !! Probably won’t be able to bet on it in 2021 .
    I’m donating my Potters Corner winnings to NHS.
    For the record the 4 virtual winners are all LTO winners , rated OR 150 -154 and have previously won over at least 4m

  15. Josh, thanks for potters corner – as you say possibly the way forward!! Haha!!
    More pleased to see my fav horse red rum win the legends race – would have been a travesty if he had got beat!!
    I think I shouted him on more than potters!!

  16. Those lovely bookmakers have donated £2.6 million to NHS charties because of the virtual Grand National, so a big well done to them and they have my support for one day only.

    Well done to all who found the winner

    Red Rum fantastic on winning the legends race

    Colin

  17. PEATY SANDY ……….. WHAT A HORSE 🙂
    Peaty Sandy was a former Welsh National winner, although beaten third in the race the previous Christmas[4] but his quality ensured he went off at 12/1 as the best backed horse ever trained by a woman.[2] The ride on Helen Hamilton’s horse was given to T.G. Dun. He was never in contention during the race however, jumping Becher’s Brook last of the fourteen to take the fence on the second circuit. He picked his way through tired horses in the latter stages of the race to finish a remote sixth.[3]
    WELSH NATIONAL 1981 : the race was won by the hugely talented Peaty Sandy, a young horse, absolutely thrown-in at the weights, who would become a standing dish in staying chases for years to come.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2qdwXr_2qY
    AND THIS WAS THE RACE .. which summed up Peaty Pandy .. a bit like me awkward but determined and full of life 🙂
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H96zzOgKBBw
    with probably most inaccurate commentary over then last I have heard ..lol 🙂

    keep safe out there 🙂
    gbster 🙂

    1. You live GBster! I remember Peaty Sandy, he would have got more attention if he had been trained by a big southern stable.

      Hope you and Mrs GB are well:-)

      1. YEP ALL GOOD IN MY PADDED CELL AND 6 MONTHS SUPPLY OF BOURBON BISCUITS 🙂 (I TOLD THE WIFE SHE SHOULD ISOLATE DOWNSTAIRS AND I WILL STAY ISOLATING UPSTAIRS …… PERFICK ! )
        Indeed you font of all knowledge equestrinable 😉 Peaty Sandy only ran well at Newcastle from my memory …… as it hated travelling anywhere due to an allergy to certain types of hay which were unfortunately widely used at the various racecourses around Britain (apart from haydock 😉 ) ….. i can’t find any proof of it now .. but i remember telling my dad one saturday at Newcastle to back Peaty Sandy …. well the way i remember it is ….. peter o’sullevan commentating .. well he did not mention Peaty Sandy all the way round until …….. my dad had just screwed up the betting slip ( but luckily not thrown on the fire as was his want 🙂 ) …. and then a slightly more excited Peter O’sullevan piped up ” and here comes Peaty Sandy .. he’s finishing from another county !” an duely won going away from the last !!! ….. too which father opened up with a rye smile and slap around my head .. as was his want in my teenage years 🙂 O’ those halcyon days …… Do you remember Corn Merchant on the flat as well .. around at the same time as Peaty ??
        Keep safe punter pal MC & co
        gbster 🙂

        1. No, can’t say Corn Merchant rings a bell. On finishing from another county, do you remember a horse trained by WA Stephenson called Run Over? It won race once from so far back it literally looked impossible,I doubt I will see anything like it again. Can’t remember the track now 🙁

          Let’s hope Harvester survives the lockdown so you can treat Mrs GB once this is over.

          1. OMG MC …… WHAT a memory that was ……… a blast from the past .. well done for that memory my oh my…. just watched it again on you tube … unbelievable ! 🙂 I must have been in my late teens then ?? 🙂
            now can i please get back to my hrb young man !! (sires at 5 furlongs NEWCASTLE)

            THANKS THE GBSTER 🙂

          2. Thanks for letting me know it’s on YouTube, just watched it simply amazing, anyone on the site who hasn’t seen this you must watch, I googled Run Over YouTube to find it 🙂

  18. Hi Josh, wasn’t sure where to put this

    Hope everybody is keeping safe!! – Thought I would make an effort again with
    “Harry’s Historical Fact of the week”. Obviously no racing but Friday’s feature would have been the All Weather Championship Finals Day
    Prior to 2013 there was no racing held on Good Friday. But seven years ago, that all changed with the introduction of the All-Weather Championships. The series was introduced and from then on, racing on the six synthetic tracks in the UK was pointed towards Finals Day, held on that Friday Bank Holiday at Easter time.
    The racecourses involved in the All-Weather Championships are Chelmsford City, Kempton Park, Lingfield Park, Southwell and Wolverhampton as well as Dundalk in Ireland and Cagnes-sur-Mer and Deauville in France.
    The All-Weather Championships are contested over seven categories:
    • 3 Year Old Championships (8 furlongs)
    • 3 Year Old Sprint (5 furlongs)
    • Sprint Championships (6 furlongs)
    • Mile Championships (8 furlongs)
    • Marathon Championships (16 furlongs)
    • Fillies & Mares Championships (7 furlongs)
    • Middle Distance Championships (10 furlongs)
    Finals Day is the richest All-Weather Raceday in Europe with over £1million in prize money on offer.
    To qualify to run on Finals Day, horses must run either a minimum of three times on the All-Weather surfaces in Great Britain, Ireland or France during the Qualifying period and carry an Official BHA Rating high enough to enter or win a Fast Track Qualifier, which will guarantee free entry.
    Since its introduction, it’s fair to say that the Championships has been an undeniable success. From the Finals Day winners alone there have been notable Group 2 and 3 winners, as well as Group 1 scorer Tryster go on to bigger things.
    Certain training operations and jockeys have done particularly well in the All-Weather Championships since its introduction.
    Sheikh Mohammed’s Godolphin have been named as winning-most owner in five of the six All Weather Championship seasons, with over 250 wins during the campaign period since it’s inauguration.
    That success during the season doesn’t necessarily convey into triumph on Finals Day though. The ‘Boys In Blue’ have only claimed four of the 63 Good Friday races, with three of them coming on the same day back in 2015.
    French-trained horses are of particular note on Finals Day, with Gallic raiders taking the top-prize in four races in the last two years.
    As far as individual horse success goes though, only one animal can be described as a multiple winner on All-Weather Finals Day, and in fact, he’s almost a triple winner.
    Richard Fahey’s Alben Star took the Sprint Championships in 2014, as well as in 2016. In between the gallant gelding got so close when finishing second to Pretend in the intervening year.
    Although he was a mainstay on Finals Day, the veteran sprinter never actually won one of the designated Fast-Track Qualifiers en route to the Good Friday showpiece. His handler instead, choosing to get Alben Star to peak on the big day.
    The replay is the Middle Distance Championship of 2015. Talk about good timing!! Enjoy!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j039Pl_J_Lc

    1. Hey Harry, until any daily posts return feel free to post under the newest post published. No problem there. So you could put any comments under the Day 3 Chelt review post. I have been reading/watching! Appreciated as always.
      Josh

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