Members Post: To end of March

A place to chat/comment etc …

Firstly my ‘important message’ post to read HERE>>> 

This post is just here for those of you who may wish to chat in the comments until I return on the 1st April. 

Meanwhile… I’m in my ‘thinking phase’ and I’ve some ideas to bring back some focus and enthusiasm – it has dawned on me how I’ve lost all focus from any ‘core’ idea – well there hasn’t been one really, and it’s probably about time I returned to a relentless focus on ‘the people’ first – trainers/jockeys/owners as the strand of thinking/research/’way in’/ that ties everything else together. I should stop sliding towards being a jack of all trades and master of none, and get back to that focus on trainers /their behaviour, in everything I do. That thinking will influence ideas on my return. Throw in a bit of review/eye-catchers/hot form and we should have something worthwhile to work with again. 

For now, do read the post above if you haven’t, and i’ll be back on 1st April. 

Take care, Josh 



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  1. Update on my results put up on RTP
    Jan – 1.25
    Feb -7.75
    Mar -2.5
    Total – 11.5
    Very disappointing and will decide over next few weeks if i continue Colins bets
    Jan + 37.583
    Feb – 0.5
    Mar + 31.50
    Total + 68.583
    Started on RTP on 14/2/2020
    Feb + 0.1666
    Mar +3.50
    Total + 3.666
    Victory only just started out again so a long way to go, however there are green shoots so hopeful it will win again.
    Started on RTP 19/2/2020
    Feb + 1.593
    Mar – 3.00
    Total – 1.407
    Error most bets had been on the AW until Cheltenham when decided to put up Nicky Henderson should have known better!
    During the break will be doing more research of old methods so will have plenty of time to think, and hopefully remember the rules.
    ON THE BRIDLE classic case initially got the rules wrong, thankfully now have them right and it is looking good for the future.

  2. Hi Colin, thanks for posting these. Any views why Feb showed such a disparity? Congratulations on the great results.

    1. Hi Mark,

      NO IDEA, this always happens in betting the losing run and this is why i have always stressed you need a decent bank when betting and any results should be judged and recorded over 12 months, and i will not change my initial formula for if i did Jan and Mar figures may reduce so defeats the object.

      For myself anyone putting up any bets even if they say they are not racing tipsters then they should put up true records including R4 which tend to be ommited when claiming the price the night before in many cases, for a new member on here will think that even your tips are proven and are vetted and may dive in and start betting on them only to receive a losing shock, of course not in your case but trust you know what i mean.

      VICTORY formula/method is special to me for it was one of the main ones i used prior to the bookmakers closing me down, and it was named Elite when i was tipping them for Optimum racing, but after many years it appeared to have run its course, propabley about 10 years ago since i stopped using it, so will see if it can be successful again.

      So the name Elite is special to me.
      PS can i use your bucket and spade for going to play on the sand next week Ha Ha, maybe start a book for donkey racing now thats an idea!

    First of all :
    Lord George Bentinck who on May 18th 1847 in Parliament proposed a motion ‘that this house at its rising do adjourn till Thursday’. Tomorrow the Derby would take place at Epsom and Bentinck stated that for more than half a century the Derby Day had been a recognised holiday. The motion was agreed. As Lord Palmerston answered to a similar motion in 1860 ‘ to adjourn for Derby Day is part of the unwritten law of Parliament’.

    In 1848, the year of his Death Lord George Bentinck saw a colt win the Derby that he bred called SURPLICE. In 1846 Bentinck decided to concentrate on his political affairs and sold all his racing interests including the yearling SURPLICE. What must he have felt as he saw a colt he bred win the Derby. The day after the Derby Benjamin Disraeli was trying to console Bentinck who was heart broken. When Bentinck told Disraeli that a man not involved in the race could possibly understand what the Derby is. Disraeli replied that he knew very well what the Derby was “It is the Blue Ribbon of the Turf”.
    Lord George Bentinck died on September 21st 1848 which must have been around the time of that years St Leger Stakes which was won by you know who, SURPLICE – the first horse to win the Derby and St Leger since 1800. SURPLICE had further entries at Newmarket that Autumn but could not take up those engagements due to the Death of Bentinck his breeder who made the original entries. (AND HE INVENTED THE FIRST MOBILE HORSE BOX AS WELL ! )
    So there you have it Mr Racing himself .. we all owe it to him ..,… racing for the people !
    (Don’t laugh ! ……… But our Family legend is that we have descended from the Duke of Portland (5th) Family ( allbeit Illegitimately 🙂 … I said no laughing ! 🙂 …. oh go on then 🙂 )
    Well further down the line my Dad’s great (not sure if or how many great’s it is ?)
    Uncle John Butler was in charge of the Flat racehorse “FELSTEAD” whilst at stud.
    Stud career :
    Felstead had little success with his male offspring, but sired two excellent fillies. The better of the two was Rockfel who won the 1000 Guineas, Oaks and Champion Stakes in 1938, while Steady Aim won the Oaks in 1946.[17] It is mainly through Steady Aim, the female line ancestor of Danzig that Felstead continues to appear in the pedigrees of modern thoroughbreds. Felstead died in either 1946[17] or 1947 and was buried at the Kingwood Stud at Lambourn.[18]

    It was John Butlers son ( i think ?) that i have always known affectionately as my Uncle Fred Butler ( probably great uncle ? ) that i start to have distinct memories of … he used to run the Chievely Bakery in Berkshire ( Shepherds Bakery i think possibly ? ). So every time we had a family visit to “Uncle Fred’s” (always on a Saturday and more often than not when Newbury was on 😉 ? ) was a time of great excitement . Dad would always drop off my mum first to Fred’s house and then take us down to the Bakery to see Fred ……. and then the magic happened ……. out came the largest “Lardy Cake” you ever did see ! ( the finest “crispiest treaclyish beauties ” ever known to man kind ) … honestly i had never tried anything as tasty then or even up until now to the present day …… days and memories of pure joy ! emmmmmmmm ) . My dad and Fred then got down to the real important things such what “news ” had some of the “travelling lads” divulged on their way out to the races ( the Major Dick Hern boys always … and I mean always headed to Uncle Fred’s Bakery before they went anywhere! along with a few other yards in the very close vicinity … they were very, very busy information days for my Uncle Fred in the 1950’s ,1960’s and 1970’s . When i was too young my dad brought Fred and I back to Fred’s house to see my mum and my aunty and then would wisk Uncle Fred off to Newbury races for the afternoon…. with all the information at the ready 🙂 and when i was deemed old enough they began to take me to0 … and the bug bit and has never managed to escape me : ) Happy days and memories for me 🙂 ( i do have loads of other racing stories / memories of doing the “running” for Uncle Fred and dad at Newbury and Kempton but won’t bore you with them now 😉 )

    I remember my mum telling me that whilst on Honeymoon (married on the 22nd December) on the isle of wight … it nearly ended in divorce immediately as on boxing day ..she thought she was being driven up towards the cliffs for a romantic time only to find the car stopping up at the top of the cliff area and on goes the radio to listen to the 1956 King George … because as my dad explained to his new wife the signal was much better up here on the cliff top for the radio …… 🙂 way to go dad !!! … the winner he thankfully wanted ROSE PARK …. backed because he was born and raised at Marble Hill PARK Nr.Richmond / Twickenham area and he was in charge of the roses (his dad was in total charge of the grounds and the front gate house came with the job 🙂 )
    and I am pleased to report the marriage went the full term and resulted in me being one of the fruits of there endeavours 😉

    Anyway folks .. that was very enjoyable for me to bring some of those memories back to the front of my memory bank …… hope you enjoy and can share any of your racing memories especially like Colin often does 🙂

    P.s. Colin ….. I once was in a racehorse syndicate with Dai Burchell ( that is the Dai you knew wasn’t it ?? ) The nicest family and run syndicate i ever joined ….. they often used to ring me for weather conditions down south 🙂 .. the syndicate colours were orange if i remember rightly ???
    I was also a member of the “Palacegate” racing club (white silks with red “V”or “X”” ?? ( PALACEGATE EPISODE ? / ANOTHER EPISODE ? etc ….all with the great Jack Berry … again happy days … especially when we we attempting the windsor track record with one of them … can’t remember if it was actually achieved or not over the 5/6f ?? … I know the horse won by about a furlong 🙂 Pat Eddery up i think .. or was it white paint Willy Carson ??? 🙂
    I did once own my very own racehorse in my very early twenties !! I brought it direct from a retiring breeder near cirencester for £ 1000.00 .
    I named it COTTESLOE BEACH ( Gabitat / Dubacilla / Georgina Quicksteps? ) I now realise it would have been better to put it away for a NH campaign (oh if only )….. but it obviously struggled as a 2yo .. I should have persevered !! grrrrrr 🙁 ….. but couldn’t afford to carry on with the £ 1000.00 a month training fees with Ken Ivory or had the knowledge of breeding in them days 🙁

    I must stop now !! 🙂 …………….. no really .. I must !!!!
    Keep the faith folks it won’t be long now …… it may even be all over by the time you read this 🙂
    We just now desperately need the warm weather to kill of these pesky germs !!!!
    Keep smiling
    the Smiling wannabe Lord GB 🙂
    Who nearly has all his Micro’s now re-jigged and re-mastered .. oh happy days !! 🙂

    1. Blimey matey, you must have some time on your hands 🙂 Seriously what great stories, nice one.

      Might chance a peak at Dundalk tomoz?

      1. cheers mc .. the only true gb appreciater in these parts 🙂
        keep safe my friend ! 🙂

        gb .. news at 10

      1. No bother at all George pleased that you had a good experince with Dai Burchell and to be honest most trainers who i have met have all been decent people, Tony Carroll is an outstanding man, Alan King so down to earth and his wife was cooking the bacon butties.

        1. yep indeed they are ..salt of the earth .. but all “no body’s fool” !!
          Ken Ivory was really friendly and gave me lot’s of racing / betting advice … and we would always end each gallop watch with a cup of tea in his front room in radlett …. great days although i should have “sucked it in more in them days” (only in my twenty’s 🙂 ) and having a full english in the kitchen of Paul Howling’s (then training Nr Elstead surrey) discussing all the pitfalls of becoming a young owner ……. oh those heady days of youth

  4. Josh, I think you should return on April 2nd otherwise people may believe you’re kidding us 🙂

  5. with my vast knowledge of Irish AW racing 🙂 i’ve come up with these no hopers for today.
    1-30. Tyrconnell, Sir Danilo, Dance Alone
    2-30. Top 2 in the market look solid but Northern Surprise could be the best of the rest.
    3-30. Mademoiselle Penny, Getgo
    4-00. Muzbid, Park Row, Mandarin Monarch
    4-30. Fit For Function, Heehaw

  6. With my even vaster knowledge of Irish AW ( not), I think the most likely ones are:

    3.30 Tio Esteban, Madmoiselle Penny

    4.00 Cautious Approach,Tonkinese

    4.30 Major Power, Poet’s Pride

    Of course the cat may have just as much chance of picking a winner today but it’s a bit of fun in a miserable period.

  7. let’s get on with it then ……

    1.30 (NO NEED FOR TRACK 🙂 ) Casa Romano / Kinch

    top o the morning to ya !

  8. Well I think Martin clearly won the battle of the novice Irish AW tipsters 🙂 Well done oi take me hat off to ye, so I do.

    1.40 Thurles Arthurian Fame (IRE)
    1.40 Thurles Nero Rock (IRE)
    1.40 Thurles Ruinous (IRE)
    2.40 Thurles Hilltop Supreme (IRE)
    3.10 Thurles Cut The Mustard (FR)
    3.10 Thurles Dunvegan (FR)
    4.10 Thurles Max Dynamite (FR)
    4.10 Thurles Myth Buster (IRE)
    4.10 Thurles Thermistocles (IRE)
    4.40 Thurles Goule Piatte (FR)
    4.40 Thurles Land Jet (IRE)

    have a great day in the sun !
    best regards
    Lord gb
    i await your confo’s with bated breath 😉

          1. indeed i did sir .. many thanks
            and i dutched 4 in the 3.40 and had the first 3 home .. but i just felt too many to put up here ? 🙁
            and also went big on dunevan e/w …. so not a bad day for me and the irish punts 🙂
            on we go
            gb 🙂

          2. Brilliant stuff you’re flying at the moment. Long may it continue or at least as long as possible! Thanks for continuing to post. I’m glad George’s oven is doing takeaway!

  10. Gone against the grain with a couple of these today, just grateful racing is on…Favourites don`t win every race and because I have done one here, depending on how it gets on means a horse running tomorrow may shorten up quickly, so, get on for tomorrow also. No write ups as I`m still working form home as I`m sure most of us are and I won`t mention the C word, so, small stakes and hope we have an enjoyable afternoon watching the only sport in town on terrestrial TV.
    14:10 Thurles
    KARL DE GROSSE 1pt win 13/2 gen
    FEROCIOUS 1pt win 14/1 gen
    15:10 Thurles
    DUNVEGAN 1pt win 6/1 gen
    CAPUCCI MIX 1pt win 15/2 gen
    15:40 Thurles
    WISHMOOR 1pt win 14/1 gen
    CRAZYHEART 8/1 gen

    tomorrow and i will do write ups we are having a countdown day…One from the top of the card and one down the bottom…haha
    15:10 Downpatrick
    THE RED MENACE 1pt win 14/1 gen
    CAPPACURRY ZACK 1pt win 11/1 gen (If Wishmoor runs a big race then price on this will go to single figures, get on now and if it drifts, back again)

    Hope all horses and jockeys come back safe and sound and good luck with whatever you select today. Have a nice rest Josh and come back into this as and when you see fit, you deserve a break fella!

  11. Hello world, it is Saturday here.

    Maidstone area calling those still out there.

    There is life here Jim, but not as we know it!

    The golf course was pretty empty yesterday afternoon. The rough was still deep though. I only lost one ball, probably because I was not hitting it very far.

    I am tipping on the Irish racing today.

    1.40 Fakiera,
    2.10 Brace Yourself,
    3.10 Dunraven (Nap) and Capuccimix,
    3.40 Trumps Ace,
    4.10 No idea!!!!!
    4.40 Major Robinson.

    Good luck Martin

    1. Yes, some of us are still here Martin, all the best fella!!
      See we have hit the same horses in the 15:10… keep on going Fella!

    2. Aaaagh Maidstone, when i lived there we were posh living on Loose rd, Penenden Heath and East Farleigh we looked down on those from Tovil, Park Wood , Senacre and Ringlestone full of rough types i hope you don’t have to venture into those type of areas Martin 🙂

      1. I am in Loose near to the valley. Very nice.

        The town centre is a bit rough but I do not venture there much.

          1. There is also a place in England called “Ugley”. They too have a Women’s Institute!!

  12. Thurles tentative picks.
    2-10. Mary Francis
    2-40. Dunhallow Paddy
    3-40. Pound A Stroke/Bridge Native
    4-10. Dortmund Park

    1. I’m not having dig here Willie, it’s info that you jogged my memory about.
      Many,many moons ago my dad bollocked me for placing a r/r bet saying it was a ruse by the bookies to rip off the ‘working man’ by making a mug bet look attractive. He went on to calculate the winnings I would have got if I had simply placed double stakes singles and single stakes doubles and treble which makes 10 bets. I was gobsmacked when my winnings would have increased by well over 20% for the same stake.

      1. Same as the old FLAG betting slip, that if you got 4 winners in the wrong place the bet went down, whomever thought of that bet must have made a fortune from the copyright on that one bet alone..

  13. Enjoying the break so far and taking no interest in Irish racing, so anyone intrested another tale of the turf through my eyes and experience.
    My ex wife could not undrerstand how racing works that i would ring Dai only a couple of days prior to going down to stay, so she insisted that i arrange a visit 3 months in advance! Dai laughed and said on the lines of dont have a clue where we are next week let alone 3 months, anyway to keep her happy we agreed the date.
    3 months past and headed down for the weekend Dai and Beverley were at Newmarket in the afternoon and Goodwood in the evening, so we stayed with Beverley’s parents who had got tickets for us for a function at Newbury golf club.
    On arrival i went upto the busy bar and stood next to a chap and my nature is to start chatting, boy did i have a surprise when he spoke for he must have had one of the largest gobstoppers in his mouth he was so posh, anyway we chatted for quite awhile 10/15 mins and he said that he was a buyer for Sheik Hamdam, so quickly said cannot you send Dai a couple of the lesser lights to train.
    Took the drinks to our table and went over the conversation with Paddy(Beverleys father) i asked paddy what the chap did and he cofirmed that he was a buyer for Sheik Hamdam, on the subject of sending a couple of horses to Dai his response was Dai did not go to Eaton and it would never happen.
    Beverley used to compete with Lady Lloyd Webber who she knew reasonable well and in all the years of being on the showjumping circuit they never send Dai a horse to train.
    Whilst typing this memory have a smile on my face for my ex wife once said that Dai is no friend of mine all i can say he has out lasted her, hooray!!!

  14. One or two interesting facts for today.

    Jockey Davy Russell has a 31% record riding over hurdles at the track
    Jockey Jamie Codd has a 43% record riding over fences at the track
    Trainer Oliver McKiernan has a 40% record with his hurdlers at the track CAPPUCCINO MAN
    Trainer Oliver McKiernan won the race in 2019 and has a 40% record with his hurdlers at the track WILL YOU WIN…250/1 oh if only!!

    Have a good day


  15. I did watch the Irish racing on Saturday. Equivalent to midweek stuff we get in GB.

    I am going to have a go at Downpatrick (Northern Ireland) today but will not watch it.
    1.40 I’m So Busy; 2.10 The Very Man; 3.10 Jimmil; 3.40 Da Baba Elephant (Nap).

    The nap led for a long way last time out and then tires and was quickly pulled up. So must strip fitter today and can go well if any good in this race.

    Good luck Martin

  16. With some time on my hands can anyone suggest the best place I can go to watch back all the festival races (preferably without subscription) please ?

    1. Hi Westy,
      You can register for free at Sporting Life and watch past races via the results archive. If you have a skybet a/c you can log-in with that.

    50p place only tho (4TBP) !!! 🙂
    “have a great day youall”

        I Think i have invented the new RTP “Therapy” game .. lol 🙂
        p.s. Don’t look at the answer mc and try find it yourself .. lol 🙂

  18. Very good you donut. Why aren’t you using the new post?

    Look forward to more quiz questions from Magnus Gbsterson 🙂

  19. ERRR .. WHAT new post ???? ( let me investigate 🙂 ) …. ….. everybody loves a donut or doughnut even ? i think basically you are saying i “do your nut” …….. and you’ve ate too many doughnuts !!! ???????????????????????? 😉

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