Members Daily Post: 11/07/19 (complete)

‘through the card’ + notes , Nick’s tips x2 , Section 1 (complete), updates, July Meet Day 1 Quals

1.All Qualifiers Against TTP Stats Packs

2.My Tips (Daily Chase Tips/Jumps Festival Tips)

3.Nick’s Tips

4.Micro System Test Zone

5.Any general messages/updates etc

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1.All Qualifiers Against TTP Stats Packs

FLAT 

Carlisle

4.15 –

Afandem   (micro age) 8/1 

Diamonique   (m class and age) H3 10/1 

4.50 –

Lady Calcaria   (m TJC) H3 I1 6/1 S6  UP

Caustic Love   (m class and age)  w1  w2 H1 I3 13/8 

5.20 – Grimsdyke   (m TJC) 25/1 

5.55 – War Ensign   (m TJC) 10/1 

 

Doncaster

3.20 – Aubretia   (all Hc’s) 11/1 

3.55 – Hans Solo Berger  (all Hc’s)9/1 

 

Newmarket

None

 

Epsom

7.35 – Highland Acclaim   (3yo+) H3 I3 11/4 

 

Newbury

7.15 – Star Of War   (m runs) H1 11/1 S6 UP 16/1, painful viewing, squeezed at start, held up, numerous traffic problems up straight, no run. May have been interesting with a clear passage but that’s racing. Looked like the run of an in form horse, who may need a stronger pace. 

 

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THE KEY

Please Read: All information regarding the members club, the content, advised strategies, welcome info for new members, results, links to research articles,  tipping competition rules, contact info and much more can be found HERE>>>

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2.My Tips (Daily Chase Tips/Jumps Festival)

Daily Chase Tips: Main (2019: 16/80, 27p +35.8) Jumps Festival Tips (2018:+143; 2019: 4/86,22p, -53,)

None, no jumps racing/chases 🙂 

 

3.Nick’s Tips

(2018: +532.33 ; 2019: End JUNE -28.1 BOG / -29.6 Advised , May -8.22/-8.97, June -31.04 / -31.79)

3.00 Newm –

Blown By Wind – 1 point EW – 25/1 (Lad/BV/Coral) 1/5,5p gen UP, -2 

Dazzling Dan – 1 point EW – 9/1 (betfs/PP) 8/1 (gen) 1/5,5p gen 3rd, +0.6 

8.50 Newb –

Danecase – 1 point EW – 15/2 (uniB) 7/1 (gen)  UP, -2 

0/3, 1p, -3.4

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That’s all for today from Nick, as of 08.08 

 

4.Micro System Test Zone

None.

 

5.Any general messages/updates etc

NEW REPORTS >>>

#1   The Importance of Race Position In Handicap Chases : READ HERE>>> 

#2  July Cup Meeting 2019: Stats/Pointers/Trends : READ HERE>>>

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PLEASE READ >>>

The future…

I’ve been pondering the blog’s content and for now I’m going to change the focus of my approach to Tipping, while conscious I should consult on the rest >>>

The Flat… I’ll be blunt… I don’t like tipping on the flat! 🙂 It has dawned on me that it’s jumps racing (and specifically chases) that runs through my racing veins. (for those of you who’ve been here since for a while, that won’t come as a shock! You’ll be wondering what took me so long to ditch my dabbles on the Flat) I enjoy analysing chases more than anything else, and indeed watching them. 

At various times I’ve dabbled on the Flat with various ‘tipping tests’, whether to try and prove a point to myself or whatever, I’m not sure. But, such efforts are a waste of my time and mental energy. I don’t enjoy studying a flat handicap and struggle to mount the enthusiasm to do so consistently. I enjoy watching top notch Flat action and following the odds system, or indeed some others tips – but when it comes to my own analytical endeavours, not so much! So, I’m retiring from Flat tipping, which never really got out of test mode, for obvious reasons.  

I don’t think any of you are here for my Flat tipping and my tipping efforts would be much better spent elsewhere 🙂

So… back to the Jumps… and my Members Tipping >>>

 

Daily Chase Tips: MAIN

These will be as they are now, with my focus on Class 4+, 2m7f+ handicap chases. Since I refocussed on my ‘race type of choice’ in late Feb the results have been very good. Plenty to build on and I wonder why I ever stopped with that laser like focus. Less can be more and when you’re trying to spin a few plates, it’s best I focus. 

Daily Chase Tips: TEST

Staying chases above will always be my first port of call but I’ve decided when possible I should be spending more time on other handicap chases, those in the 19-22f range for a start. I may dabble on the odd 16f chase, but given my liking for staying chases, it makes plenty of logical sense to focus on the next rung down, given some of these horses will step up in trip in time. 3m+ chases are the only race type i’ve ever consistently focused on, hence why this is a ‘test’. 

In effect I’m turning myself into a handicap chase ‘race adviser’, with a ‘specialism’ being the staying division. Outside of Section 1 and my Trainer Track Profiles qualifiers, much of my research efforts will focus on handicap chases.

It took me until February to realise I’d been neglecting the one tipping area I’d done consistently well in over time, and until now to realise that all my tipping and race analysis energy should be on the jumpers – and specifically handicap chases. It’s what I enjoy most and I should stop trying to turn myself into something i’m not. 

So, nothing ground breaking, bar for me personally, as in part i’m admitting defeat on the Flat front. I don’t have the enthusiasm or energy to make punting on the Flat a success. Hopefully in time this will be an inspired decision, we shall see. 

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Important Re-Cap

So, that leaves us with the following template for the Members Content >>>

TIPS (section 2/3)

  • My Daily Chase Tips: MAIN (Staying Handicap Chases, 2m7f+… the big Grade 3 staying chases will remain in the free posts)
  • My Daily Chase Tips: TEST (a new focus on other handicap chases, but with the staying chase tips being my first priority)
  • My Jumps Festival Tips (Cheltenham the main focus as in previous years, with dabbles at Aintree , Punchestown and Galway. Including Handicap Hurdles, the only times I will tip in such races. Stats to assist you for all of them)
  • Nick’s Tips (as they are now, inc tips on the Flat!)

 

Strategies/Systems (section 1)

  • Strategies based on my Trainer Track Profiles (TTP) qualifiers in Section 1.
  • Jumps: S1 and S3A#
  • Flat: S6
  • Other strategy qualifiers highlighted, to use as you please, using the links in the Key for further details. Eg the ‘where to begin’ and ‘other ideas’ links.

 

Research to use in your own punting/race analysis (section 1 / 4 / 5) 

(I need to survey you on most of this to see what you use, what you don’t, what you enjoy, or want more of etc) 

  • Section 1 TTP Qualifiers, including the ratings pointers etc (ES+, w1/2, 14,30)
  • Section 4: Micro System Test Zone – various trainer/jockey/horse angles to use as a starting point/way in.
  • Big Race Trends/Stats/Trainer records
    • I try and provide stats/trends for ‘the’ big field handicap of the week.
  • Big Meeting/Festival Notes
    • The Flat: There are more ‘Festivals’ on the Flat than over jumps, and as always I try to highlight some trainers, jockeys, TJC of interest, to use as you please.
    • The Jumps: A focus on Cheltenham / Aintree / Punchestown / Galway
  • ‘Ideas to Improve Your Punting Success’ – Reports with stats/ my opinions that could positively influence how you approach your betting/the members content, or give you ideas for further research, such as the latest report posted above.

 

The RTP Community

  • That’s You! 🙂 The comments section, where ideas, opinions, research, tips etc are shared as they are now. (I plan to try some new engagement software asap)
  • The Tipping Comp: Monthly comp with £30 and £20 cash prizes, as per now. Only 25 of you play regularly so room for plenty more of you to dive in!

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I think that covers everything – it’s a case of working out what I can improve, what areas I could be doing better, or more of if there’s a demand. I do need to send you all a survey to assess what aspects you follow/use, and indeed why you’re here!  I should talk to you more as there’s plenty I could no doubt be doing better, and I may be wasting some energy on areas that no one bothers with.

Josh 

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July Meeting Day 1

‘Qualifiers’ from stats report above

1.50 –

Nayef Road  14,30 H3 G3

Barbados H1 I3

2.25  -King Neptune 

3.35 -Masar 14,30 I3 G3

4.05  -Dubai Paradise 14,30 

5.10 – Wings Of Time 14,30 *

* trainer form (14,30) and ratings pointers for Info only, to help in your own deliberations. Ratings pointers as per The Key, the link to which is in section 1, if you’ve no idea what they symbolise! 🙂 

In the last two years Appleby has seemingly targeted this meeting and a case could be made to not over think his, but we shall see. Nayef Road hits the Johnston stats that are 6/15, 10p, +78 BFSP at the last 5 meetings…

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Newmarket Day 1

‘through the car’d (my parents are off to the races so I’d best pull together some lays… ahem…) 

1.50 – Nayef Road – EW – 13/2 2nd 

2.25 – Visinari – 10/11  UP/close ( no world beater just yet…) 

3.00 – Blown By Wind  20/1 UP / Dazzling Dan 8/1 3rd

3.35 – Mirage Dancer – 9/4 2nd 

4.05 – Miss Lucy 14/1  EW  WON 20/1 

4.40 – Turgenev – 6/4  UP

5.10 – Wings of Time – 9/2  WON 6/1 

 

 

Notes >>>

Nayef Road – I don’t really want to leave an MJ 3YO with the trainer meeting stats as per above when a decent enough price. He’s hardy, solid, in form, should run his race and this does look like his trip. SDS should have him front rank with no excuses. It does look competitive enough hence the EW and Danny T may well be down here for the fav in this. 

Visinari – the ‘time boys’ are all over this one given his performance LTO – the time, the sectionals, his cadence/stride length etc, how the form is working out, natural progression etc – it apparently indicates this horse could be very very smart one in the making  – of course, when he falls out the back of the TV here it will give ample hope that Sectionals etc won’t be essential for winning long term on the flat 🙂 Frankie is up, he’ll no doubt try and dictate – maybe he’s short enough but he could win like a 1/3 shot – one for the placepot, or to put in multiples maybe if that’s your thing – or to just watch and enjoy. 

Blown By Wind / Dazzling Dan – well i’ve kept to Nick’s tips, he’ll have gone through this race much more thoroughly than I would have – the former has some decent form to his name, esp last year, with his first two runs this season decent enough. The ground could have been the excuse at York and a line can be put through the Chester run given his draw etc. A solidly run 6f on fast ground at this stiff track may be ideal for him and The Doyler jumps back on. He should race prominently, in a no excuses position. As should Dazzling Dan – he may even lead  his side – he’s just solid and there should be more to come. I suspect over this trip he prefers a stiff finish and that could be the reason for building on that York run LTO. He may also want decent ground (2YO form can be deceptive- class may have got him through). 

Mirage Dancer – I’d want to see more from Masar before taking a short price like that, given the injury he had. Clearly if rocking up to the level of his Derby win he’d take some stopping. Mirage Dancer is in form and given it’s Stoute it’s not impossible there is more to come even as a 5 year old. He was second in this race last year. Moore jumps back on and he should be in the right spot. 

Miss Lucy – well, not a race to go mad on, or even play in unless you’re track side. Clearly Dubai Paradise may bolt up-  the yard target this meeting/this race with 2 year olds, and they are in great form. But 11/8 for an unraced horse is short enough to my eyes. Miss Lucy – interesting at a price I thought given she has experience and may be transformed for this first run on fast ground, and also the step up to 6f. I’d hope her experience may help and I can’t think Burke has come down here just for the sake of it, with his 2 runners on the day. I suppose there was room in the box for one more. She may not be good enough but for change, interesting. Led Astray may be interesting also, as Bell is 5/18,6p with his 2 year olds on Turf in 2019 so far. Suspect Tudhope is here for the fav earlier in the card, and I don’t think he’d have had a choice of this one or the Haggas horse as a feeling he’s first dibs on Clipper Logistics owned horses, but I could be wide of the mark! If he did have the choice of the two that would make her more interesting. 

Turgenev – Ahhh, the horse that cost me £1500 or so at Royal Ascot having ‘tipped’ two Frankie horses on the day, the first one winning, having backed them in a fun double and as singles. Frankie got too excited, as simple as that. Pumped full of adrenaline (you can’t blame him as he was on the 5 timer) he simply went too hard too soon on this one – as per the sectionals. That’s with hindsight of course and he nearly pulled it off. Anyway, this one should get a soft lead on the front I think and I expect a big run. 

If you’ve read Dave Redman’s latest free Pace article on geegeez (you should) you’ll see the success of certain jockeys on the front end etc, and Dettori in class 1 races is superb (no shock, but very profitable) esp when riding for the boss. 

Wings Of Time – well i’d best put up an Appleby horse! The yard are red hot, this one is unexposed, makes handicap debut and ‘could be anything’. His returned here 19 days ago after a break and under a penalty and could come on plenty for it. Maybe a hardier horse will have him but at 9/2 i’ll stick with him. The Varian horse looks well fancied and he did bolt up LTO.

 

 

 

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38 Responses

  1. COLINS BETS
    3.00 Newmarket Magical Wish BOG 6/1
    5.40 Newbury Luna Magic BOG 4/1
    7.15 Newbury Camp Kid BOG 8/1
    7.05 Epsom Ignatius BOG 9/2
    7.35 Epsom Highland Acclaim BOG 4/1
    7.35 Epsom Harrogate BOG 9/1
    ELITE BETS
    3.00 Newmarket Top Breeze BOG 16/1
    3.20 Doncaster Nooshin BOG 6/1
    7.15 Newbury Ambling BOG 15/2
    8.40 Epsom Grey Spirit BOG 11/4
    Colin

  2. Lambourn
    good day yesterday 2 winners at 7/1 and 2/1 and placed 3rd at 11/1 from 5 bets.
    Charles Hills
    3.20 Doncaster Nooshin BOG 6/1
    5.10 Newmarket Artistic Rifles BOG 9/1
    the other three trainers who look at have not come in fact Charlie is on early today, will try and do a late update when assessing them, for out at 11am so unable to guarentee an update.
    Colin.
    Please note do not back all say Charles Hills runners which are put up only the ones i fancy after reading his views and this assessment is with each trainer that i follow.

    1. Cheers Mark much needed results, given myself good kick up the bum so hopefully should see an impovement on Colins bets, Elite running along the similar path of 20 years ago lengthy losing runs, then a few decent winners come along, shall jump for joy when the 40/1 comes along.
      Colin

  3. Go Another One, 9.00 Leopardstown, is a runner from Ben’s Summer Stunners today.
    At around 9/4 in a strange sort of race (mainly proven jumpers in a maiden flat race) I probably won’t get involved.

  4. From a fellow Rams fan with family ties in Cov, Thanks for yesterdays winners Colin, had a few trebles and lumped on Mr Strutter!

  5. Congrats Colin on yesterdays winners….life got in the way today so sorry about the late post…tricky stuff despite the better quality so caution advised:

    1.50. Nmkt….Ranch Hand e/w.

    Top of the market hard to beat I think but hopefully the selection hits the frame for some e/w value as was keep9ing on over 11.60 f at Kempton and has not had a run since…..was behind Nate The Great that day which has not had a good outing since but at the price worth a chance as the selection has not run since and the trainer does ok here.

    2.25. visionary w/o

    Hard to see past this one as has clocked the best speed of 38.92 mph over 6f which is considerably better than anything else in the field.

    3.35…Baghdad and Desert Encounter w/o against the fav

    If there were e/w options would have put up Desert Encounter against the fav Masar as these were matched against the fav in terms of speed ….personally I will back both win only against the fav for small stakes only…if you only want to back one go for the biggest priced Desert as has run in better races and clocked better speeds than Baghdad but I could no split them hence the two selections for what is a tricky race in terms of betting options.

    4.05. Miss Lucy e/w

    Tricky race again and the selection just gets the vote as the price is good but anything could pop up and win….both Daily Times and Dubai Paradise have obvious chances…favs have won 38% of the time and the pedigrees of the newcomers are all very good so looks an informative race for the future…Charlie Appleby does well here and not surprised the horse is fav with Tudhope aboard…if you do not want to risk anything that may be the sensible way and just enjoy the race and note anything for the future

    Gd lck today with whatever you are backing.

    1. Ah John, great 2YO minds collide for a 20/1 winner for you and my ‘through the card’ ! 🙂 Didn’t think she’d been enjoying soft/5f – transformed on good/firm and 6f, in a weak enough looking contest – didn’t think Burke had come here for nothing.

      1. Thanks….about time I tipped a winner…bit annoyed that I missed Communique earlier ….trainer having more than one runner in a races…rule of thumb, you have to back them all or non at all so disobeyed my own rule so serves me right!…anyway nice to get a winner and at such a good price….hopefully the same tomorrow…

  6. Clive Holt’s Be A Successful Punter With Fineform As Your Guide brief summary:
    His 4 Pro’s
    Proven: Horses that have done it before i.e has won a similar race, under a similar weight, under similar going at a similar racecourse.

    Progressive: Horses whose previous form shows advancement. Winning form is easiest to assess but mot vital. The class of event and manner of racing having a distinct bearing on assessing progressive horses.

    Promising: Horses that are likely to run better than they recently have for a variety of reasons. Promise of better things to come with the evidence already in hand.

    Profit: Likely price of the selection but not in itself a direct route to finding winners

    Hope this helps.

  7. Just to add some thoughts on the site which has been discussed recently.

    I came here at the end of last year and have been around for what I think Josh would describe as a rather fallow period in terms of the tipping side of things. As I’ve mentioned I subscribe to a number of tipping services as I have no real knowledge on picking horses myself, other than what the tipsters are saying and ‘gut’ fancies.

    The things I really like about this site are numerous. Mostly I really like the fact that as far as it is possible to tell Josh is a very genuine fella who clearly loves the sport and is intent on providing the best site possible in a very niche area. I place particular importance on this as there seems to be plenty of charlatans in the tipster world!

    It is more than just a tipping site and the regular contributors all seem as genuine as Josh and are generous enough to impart their knowledge to the rest of us. As for the tipping Josh seems to be finding his form and if Nick can produce even half the results of last year it will make it one of the best tipping sites around even without everything else that it offers.

    As a newbie there’s a few suggestions I would make. Please feel free to rip these apart I (think) I can take it.

    Colin put me on to Clive Holt’s book so perhaps a section of suggested reading material for beginners.

    I also think it was Silver who said about the knowledgeable people on here pulling together a bit more. I know the silly boys club wasn’t to everyone’s taste but when those ‘silly’ minds aligned they seemed to produce good results.

    I still think a meet up would be good! I get the impression most of the regular contributors on here are of the more senior variety and as I’ve just hit middle aged it would be nice to be around people who make me seem young!!!

    1. thanks for the feedback Leif, much appreciated. I’m busy pulling together a short enough survey for members and will get that out next week, so that I can have a better idea of what people follow, what I can improve on etc and space for free text feedback.

      I know I can do more on racing induction, not only to the members club (albeit given nature of place part of it is about engaging for a few weeks) , but also to racing in general. I’ve added in a question to the survey to try and get a grip on the level of members knowledge etc, but simple things like books to read etc is logical.

      In recent years I have pulled together a post looking a racing books. I usually do this pre Xmas for obvious reasons…they are buried in the Free Reports and System tab at the top, repeated below… The comments below are worth a read as much as my musings… hopefully something of interest there…

      The original post…
      http://racingtoprofit.co.uk/2016/11/29/racing-books-what-should-i-be-reading-this-christmas/

      http://racingtoprofit.co.uk/2018/12/20/xmasbooks/

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      Yep a meet up is on the list. I’ll have to flick through some options for the Autumn. There’s Worcester for Central, and maybe one up North West somewhere also.

      Josh

      1. Cheers Josh I’ll check the list out. You seem to do ok when you do your through the cards by the way. Maybe you should just tip every race haha!

        1. haha – there’s clearly something about thinking less!! I’m not sure over time it would work that well but no idea, i do ok when asked, with the odd blow out. is a slightly diff mindset and do go instinct more, and I don’t spend ages on them. I think ‘knowing’ it’s for fun change may make me more carefree. But always some method to the madness.

          1. big believer in you can over think these things, especially during a bad run. I find that can apply to my football betting!

    2. Cheers Leif….spot on with “senior variety ” description…very polite! An annual “bash” at a venue in Liverpool (where Josh lives, obviously not at his place!!!!) or at a near race course that is accessible for everyone sounds like an idea worth consideration….I do miss the silly boys on here as it was good fun but appreciate not everyone’s cup of tea but the site is a good source of info as well as tips from regulars like Tim, Nick, Colin etc. who have integrity and sound knowledge that is reliable and trustworthy…

      1. Liverpool would suit me, I’m only just down the road myself! Don’t do much boozing these days either so maybe a meet at Josh’s house for tea and biscuits is the answer…

        1. haha – I wouldn’t get many in my flat – maybe when I have a nice house one day i’ll have RTP garden parties!! 🙂 I’ll ponder and do something, think it’s a good idea, just organising it, but doesn’t have to be over-complicated initially

        2. Me too, i always go the Becher meeting in December, but, the November/October ones are just as good….

  8. I read the recent views on this site with interest, plus the late ( and lamented by some) SBC has been mentioned. No disrespect to anyone but what seems to be missing from the site now is fun,and a sense of community. It all seems very terse and serious now, notwithstanding my respect for Silver, Colin, the Martins and so on.

    Making money from horse racing is of course a serious business but we should be able to have a laugh too. I chat online with George B most days and whether we win or lose the vibe is enjoyable. I think we have lost a bit of that on here with only a few posts every day, and a lack of (what those who disparage that sort of thing like to term) “banter”.

    I’m not sure how we get the community spirit going again, or make it more fun to read. The content from Josh and others is great, but the feel of the site is flat (no racing pun intended)…

    1. Sadly you’re not going to please everyone with whatever approach is taken in the comments and by what is commented- that’s just life. but ultimately that ‘feel/spirit’ mainly comes from the people who comment and respond etc – and if people don’t wish to comment, or have left, not much we can do about that 🙂 And majority don’t wish to comment, that’s the reality.
      The chat is generally light hearted, but I can take the mick out of myself plenty, and can take plenty of stick , and well intentioned criticism – but that’s part of my job. Tricky when you venture into such fun chat with members who are freely posting etc .
      everything is balance. The comments are not the place for afternoon chit chat between members – maybe I need to develop some sort of chat function! To connect members etc – that would be unique, no idea if possible mind.

      If suddenly there were loads more comments, some would find that annoying haha. One of those. It’s generally been organic and goes in flux as to the feel in the comments etc – i’m not sure what I can do on that front really.
      I think part of it is related to mood and results, and it has been a bloody turgid time from official content etc – maybe when that picks up, it will generally pick up, as it may do naturally when the proper racing returns!!
      Josh

    2. I suppose me and Josh used to banter more on here where as we do it more on Whatsapp these days.

      1. Maybe we should set a whats app group up then, or, like Josh says a place where we can comment instantly?

    3. One of the things that attracted me to the site was the sense of community. That’s why I think a meet up somewhere would be good to hopefully encourage that more. I imagine we’re all here for the same reason which is to beat the bookies and try and have fun whilst we do it. It’s nice you still keep in touch with George. Do you still pull your knowledge like you did when he was on here?

      1. Hi Leif, yes, on AW days he sends me his system shortlist and I send him my fancies, double stakes when they coincide! 🙂 We’re just picking up again after a fallow spell.

        All the best

        1. Good stuff! I used to follow you in on bets you both agreed on. Hope you’re as successful as you were previously!

    1. ha I know, but it’s my job in part! 🙂 I have created a space I think where people are free to post as they wish, more humour the better. A place where opinion is welcome, questioning (of me!) is welcome, etc etc. I mean it could be worse! 🙂

  9. BTW well done Josh and Silver, lovely winner with Miss Lucy, I’ve changed my mind, who needs banter 🙂

    1. cheers, yep that went rather well. At least my parents should be happy I hope, but knowing them, they prob decided after first 4 races to pick names for the last few!! 🙂

  10. Can anyone tell me if Racing Post members club is worth subscribing to? The basic £14 per month I was thinking of. Does the stats info include trainer records in particular races?

    Cheers all

    1. hmm, I subscribe to the full lot but mainly just for flicking through the paper on my tablet etc – I use it for watching videos (albeit can access those elsewhere) and for the analysis sometimes / RPRs etc (albeit they are now in geeegeez)… I don’t use it for stats at all… if that’s your main reason, i’d dabble in HorseRaceBase for £10 per month before Racing Post – stats galore within the race cards, that you can dig into, esp trainer stats, but so much to explore in that. I’d say it would be better value for money, but I say that having not used RP for reasons you may wish to.

    2. Hi MC…used to subscribe but not worth the money as a lot of the info is available for free if you look around…the spotlights are available on WH for nothing….not the truncated comments on the RP website if you are not a member and the free info regarding stats for each particular races are free to access on the RP site and are the best free stats available ….. I decided that it was not worth the subs to access other info but obviously that is up to you….I also used to subscribe to Inform racing but no longer do so…the latter is better value I would argue, rather than the RP site, also used to subscribe to Geegeez which is better than RP but could not get the info I wanted and for some reason or another did not suit my style of assessing races…used to subscribe to tipping services but no longer do that either…the only one I have a subscription for is this site and pedigree query as the latter has in depth details on horses pedigrees…the latter is about £8.00 a month…tried flat stats as well as at the time was searching for sites that suited my style of analysis….checked out free info regarding speed ratings on various sites but decided to compile my own and together with this site and the pedigree site don’t envisage subscribing to any other sites in the near future…hope this helps explains the reasoning behind my comments on the RP subscription comments

  11. Cheers Silver, makes perfect sense, well done again today you boosted my bank very nicely 🙂

    1. You are very welcome MC…hopefully tomorrow will produce a winner….Josh’s comment on Horse Race Base are informative and have considered taking a subscription on that site as well as Proform…latter out of my budget range, so HRB sounds a good option…Not affiliated in anyway with the site by the way, ok!!

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